So this week’s round of rumors is about chaos space marines and the upcoming chaos legions book…
I’ll fully believe it when we get the leaked copy of the codex .PDF like with grey knights and necrons, only then do I think it will be close to release.
That said, and as much as I want an Eldar codex, really makes me sad to think they go NOTHING for half of 4th edition, all of 5th edition, and now a year in (projected) into 6th edition, I have to say that CHAOS might just be the thing to save the game…
Space marines are popular and for good reason, they “sell” so GW makes rules for them to “sell”- look at grey knights as the example.
But from a hobby perspective what does this give us on the table?
At tournaments, nothing but marines vs. marines at best and at worst grey knights vs. grey knights. If you are just playing tactically or for the thrill of the win (competitive/WAAC play) then who cares.
BUT if part of the hobby is about creating memories, a fun event, then we need something else on the table!
Clearly GW isn’t committed to xenos…but chaos?
Imagine if Chaos was as popular as space marines- there would be so many fun battle of good vs. bad, even bad vs. bad vying for power, but beyond wishful thinking, the codex HAS to be good…
So what can we expect?
Time frame?
As mentioned I don’t fully believe the rumors here, although the summer release date of 6th is still off, no leaked copies means to me chaos in the fall 2012 slot- release 6th edition this summer and then blow it up with chaos.
Model?
Redone dread and defiler.
Redone terminators.
New bikes?
New special HQ’s.
Sounds like a pretty solid release, but again show me the bling in the codex!
What do I think the chaos codex needs?
What do you think the chaos codex needs?
It needs to swing back to the center in terms of power and ability.
The previous chaos codex was extremely powerful, and it was only the limitations of the 4th edition game system essentially wining by victory points that kept it in check. Compare the codex if you were playing it under 5th edition rules and it easily surpasses all the grey knight BS.
You think the GK wargear is wacky and abusive, check out the old chaos wargear page- which was just for generic csm for the most part...
Then take a look at the current chaos codex and how it is stripped and nerfed down like dark angels- a minimalist design philosophy that quickly dies at GW.
At least dark angels could play raven wing or deathwing, what was chaos left with?
So something in the middle…
I’d love to see two types of core troops in the new codex- generic chaos marines say like black legion or recent traitors that have stats very much like vanilla space marines, and then I’d also like to see the cult marines- the old legions who have THOUSANDS of years of experience fighting, plus being a space marines, PLUS gifts from the gods. Make those troop choices essentially like grey knights- overpowered and under costed models.
Imagine tzeentch back on the table? What if you could have termiantors with a 2+/3+ save that you could reroll each turn like fortune, along with casting 3+ powers a turn. Overpowered? My old ttzeentch summoner list used to be able to do that... What happened GW?
If you wanted a horde type marine army you go with generic chaos marines, if you want an elite army go with cult troops.
Next add in some daemons- keep them generic, but with a little more flavor, and maybe some cultist like troops and suddenly you have even more army builds.
That said, I don’t think this will happen simply because chaos already has established HQ choices in the book- and this is how GW works- looking at the trend over the years.
Let’s look at Typhus since he regularly leads my Death Guard army, and will hopefully be back at the front in a few months in one form or another…
In terms of HQ choices he really isn’t that great and can’t stand up to any of the current marine HQ choices at all. IF you adjusted the cult troop plague marines to be grey knight power levels in the new chaos codex, then they would be better then Typhus, so then Typhus would need a boost- not going to happen, GW just likes to rehash the same old HQ choices, rarely tinkering with the stats and powers- Mepheston being the only real exception and that was to sell the model line.
The outrageousness that is all grey knights is all due to inventing NEW HQ choices. Sure we still have Stearn, but he sucks- compare the old vs. new and nothing has really changed.
The beefed up new grey knights needed new beefed up HQ’s to lead…and they got them.
Is GW really going to dump Kharn, Typhus, Arahaim (sp), etc. ?
Doubt it.
That’s my take on the rumors- soon, but not that soon, and hopefully chaos gets a complete rewrite of a dex like grey knights over just an update like necrons…
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